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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Aug 7, 2012 9:26:13 GMT -5
If we can get enough guys to do another keeper league (Cap Leagues are too much work). I will sim it. Do a Fantasy Draft, so everybody gets players they want. I don't like the idea just because of who you're going to get sign up. You'll be lucky to get half the people you want from here to join another league, but then it's all these random guys. Yes, that is the issue we ran into last time. That is why I said if we could. |
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Post by Smolik20 - Retired Blues GM on Aug 7, 2012 9:31:55 GMT -5
I am all up for a change but am not willing to lose Pitty over it. Something could be done like people are suggesting with a Legends draft or losing a keeper but a complete reboot may be too much change.
My team has been pretty bad as of late so my opinion is strictly from a league survival point of view, not a my team rocks right now point of view.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 7, 2012 12:02:14 GMT -5
If any sort of a reboot is happening, you can count me out and I'll hand over full reigns of the league to Yotes. After spending nearly 4 years building my team I'd rather not have to start over for no reason. wow kinda childish. so instead you would rather hit the cruise control and just let your team stay the same year after year. Why not have Yotes just sim the entire season at a time since trading is essentially non existent now. What will end up happening is people will just start leaving because of the lack of trading and negotiating. Then you and yotes will have the "reigns" but no one will be there for you to use them on. Im really kind of disappointed with the poor attitude Pens. You sound like my kid after ive taken their game away from them. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 7, 2012 12:11:10 GMT -5
I love this league and have been here for 3 yrs this month but the way its going it will die. reading through all the posts of people who "just dont have time anymore" what does that say about how active you will be going forth? it sounds like what i said earlier, hit the cruise control, log on once a week and see how you did for the season. save yotes the work and just sim the whole season and post winners because its getting clearer and clearer that everyone likes their team as is and isnt willing to move anyone.
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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 7, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5
wow kinda childish. so instead you would rather hit the cruise control and just let your team stay the same year after year. Why not have Yotes just sim the entire season at a time since trading is essentially non existent now. What will end up happening is people will just start leaving because of the lack of trading and negotiating. Then you and yotes will have the "reigns" but no one will be there for you to use them on. Im really kind of disappointed with the poor attitude Pens. You sound like my kid after ive taken their game away from them. If you want to take shots at me, do yourself a favour and at least look at the facts before you do. In terms of "letting my team stay the same year after year," I think I've probably made more trades than anybody else here except maybe Yotes. As I already noted, I guess Zach Parise and Rick Nash don't count as major moves? My team's still the same? Hogwash. Also, it's not as if the league started with all of the players I've acquired falling into my lap. It's been a careful process that has taken over three and a half years, I am not in favour of giving GMs such as yourself who whine all the time about a lack of superstar talent a Crosby or an Ovechkin for free, simply because as you say "people will just start leaving" or "it's time for a change." If people were going to leave, they would have left long long ago. If you're saying you'll go unless you get a free superstar via draft or auction, who is really the child here (hint: it isn't me, the guy who has had to auto-draft for your team on multiple occasions)? Don't start throwing stones if you're in a glass house. I don't take kindly to personal attacks. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 7, 2012 12:43:17 GMT -5
Your "careful process" is raping new GM's as they come in, which we all know about.
And you had to auto draft my team this last draft. other than that alist has always been in to yotes. i dont bother sending it to you as i dont trust you since you take every chance possible to fleece good young players from other GM's with your laughable offers.
And yes, seeing as you had Malkin, Crosby, Fleury Id say you did start with superstars.
Seeing as I have tavares, Kessel, Kipper, howe amd Goulet, your theory of lack of superstars is bullshit. I would have less talent if we rebooted. So dont fucking accuse me of looking for hand outs. Everytime the GM's get together to discuss this you whine and pout like a little bitch because you "worked so very hard raping new GM's" so you could get your "allstar" team.
Say what you want Pens but read the 4 pages of comments with the GM's saying that something needs to change here.
SMASH, there goes one of your glass windows.
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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 7, 2012 13:41:00 GMT -5
Your "careful process" is raping new GM's as they come in, which we all know about. And you had to auto draft my team this last draft. other than that alist has always been in to yotes. i dont bother sending it to you as i dont trust you since you take every chance possible to fleece good young players from other GM's with your laughable offers. And yes, seeing as you had Malkin, Crosby, Fleury Id say you did start with superstars. Seeing as I have tavares, Kessel, Kipper, howe amd Goulet, your theory of lack of superstars is bullshit. I would have less talent if we rebooted. So dont fucking accuse me of looking for hand outs. Everytime the GM's get together to discuss this you whine and pout like a little bitch because you "worked so very hard raping new GM's" so you could get your "allstar" team. Say what you want Pens but read the 4 pages of comments with the GM's saying that something needs to change here. SMASH, there goes one of your glass windows. Acquired Ovechkin and Parise from New Jersey, Toews from Isles, Kane from Yotes. I guess what you're saying is all of them are terrible GMs who I "raped"? Please. Go through my transaction history if you wish (which will take a pretty long time despite your assertion that my team is "the same every year," and tell me when you find a trade that staffers shouldn't have approved. Then go through the trades that were rejected in our league's history and see how many involve me (next to none). Only one person whining and pouting here, and it ain't me. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 7, 2012 13:57:59 GMT -5
No you use the same OA's just trade someone about to retire for a 19yr old which doesnt get rejected due to the same OA's. I wish i had of saved some examples of the 30+ yr olds you have tried to trade me for my young guys. I just laugh and hit delete now.
Dont put words in my mouth. None of them are new GM's as i stated and have nothing to do with this. There has been more than one discussion about how you fleece newbie GM's and it has to stop.
And yeah, you are the one whining, "ill quit if we do anything to change my precious team". definition of whining right there. Worst part is everyone's scared to say anything to you sonce they dont want the league to shut down. The same shit happens every couple of seasons. A bunch of GM's think its time for some change and then the Almighty Pens crys and goes on about how unfair it is to him and his team and everyone quickly shuts up and lets it go so you dont quit.
I love this site and have been here for a long time but part of me hopes Yotes starts a new league and i will enjoy watching the little activity left here die off because GM's will be able to do things.
Ban me if you want for speaking my mind but im done worrying about what you are going to do if someone stands up to you. If you are so sure the GM's want it the same then put it to a vote and let that decide. But no, instead you cry and threaten to quit if we dont do what you want.
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Post by Detroit Red Wings GM on Aug 7, 2012 14:31:00 GMT -5
Now that was fun!
On a complete sidenote, I sent two different GMs messages like "What would it take to get so-and-so?" It took both GMs multiple days to answer me and I got the same message from both of them. "I'm not moving him."
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs GM on Aug 7, 2012 14:48:00 GMT -5
exactly the point to all of this. no one moves anyone. the list is the same for draft every year. no one wants to give up their superstars.
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Aug 7, 2012 15:43:36 GMT -5
Give me all the first RD picks in any year and I could make the playoffs from the players available. Can't be that bad
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Aug 7, 2012 16:08:38 GMT -5
I didn't even know I had toews before, that was probably for a short period of time
Curious.. what was the deal we made that I gave him to you Pens? If you remember. Is that when I got Bure from you?
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Aug 7, 2012 16:09:24 GMT -5
Creating a new league would never replace this one. WE have tried to do a second league a few times, but can never fill 30 teams. If we could get another league going it would be to just fill void that some people have, not replace this one. I have no issue with people wanting it to stay the same or the ones that want it to change. If a second league could be filled, I would gladly sim another one.
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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 7, 2012 17:10:53 GMT -5
I didn't even know I had toews before, that was probably for a short period of time Curious.. what was the deal we made that I gave him to you Pens? If you remember. Is that when I got Bure from you? Traded you Stamkos for him straight up |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 7, 2012 17:33:55 GMT -5
I think we should look into making changes, possibly smaller ones to start. A change in the keepers system or something. We introduced legends way back when and it's been a success.
Problem is people are attached to their top 8 keepers but if you bring it down to 6 it'll make the draft more interesting and should promote more trades. It's not about helping the bottom teams it's about getting rid of some of the teams' most liked players. We get too attached to the names of players and end up never trading them because we like them. Reduce keepers and you have to end up giving them away. Trade for them later or move on with your life.
Hell, how about you can't protect the same players each year: You can keep 8 players but next season of that group of 8 you can only keep 5 of the SAME players. The other 3 MUST be different. It'll promote trades.
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