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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Sept 15, 2013 21:33:04 GMT -5
Bunch of scumbags
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning GM on Sept 15, 2013 23:23:48 GMT -5
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Post by C00kies - Retired Kings GM on Sept 16, 2013 18:45:18 GMT -5
I think the autos should happen before the bonus picks. Those bonus picks should remain at the end of the draft so that they don't end up being too crucial (20th pick).
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Post by Justin on Sept 16, 2013 22:29:04 GMT -5
Agree with Kings tweak also.
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins GM on Sept 16, 2013 23:15:07 GMT -5
works for me. it will make people get lists in atleast. They can be as basic as telling me what you need
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Sept 17, 2013 4:14:45 GMT -5
Well, I knew for certain that I wasn't going to be here for this draft and what I sent to Pens wasn't JUST "Best Available"... I gave specific positions that I needed filled in the cases of the earlier picks, I gave what player type I'd prefer as well. You never know what specific player is going to be available at your draft position, especially since I was virtually picking last in every round. That being said, I'm not really in agreement with any of the options presented. Option 1: This isn't a Man site and skipping is BS at the best of times. Teams have their draft position based on where they finished the season not because someone else is pissed off and crying that a team got a player they wanted. It's really no different than if the GM was actually there, so cry me a river. I'd love to have Wayne Gretzky too... will that ever happen? Probably not. I've tried. Option 2: Pretty much the same reason as above, but also that it'd slow down the draft even more for those impatient ones that expect you to make your pick in 10secs. cuz the present picker says "NYR auto picks RW Joe Blow 83 TWF" then "Ok, Canes is up" and Canes goes "Canes picks D Ben Dover 83 DFD and swaps with NYR cuz I want Joe Blow..." That's not fair to NYR, because based on what you claim is insufficient, the list I sent stating "best available" would be inadmissible, despite having specific positions & player types that I'm looking to fill, but because I'm not available to be there, yet still sent in a list, I'm just supposed to accept someone taking a player I needed and effectively drafted myself, based on my list criteria, all because I took someone's favorite pick? Boo freaking hoo.  Sorry Canes. If you want that player enough, you can trade for him later if need be and you're able to. I dunno how many times I've had teams draft guys I was eyeing; either auto'd or not, and I was told to "suck it up"... Took me about 15 seasons (all totaled that I've had a team here), but I did, and I finally won a Cup here. You just need to have patience. Option 3: ROFL No... just no  |
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Sept 17, 2013 10:24:45 GMT -5
Why is it that anytime a suggestion is made we're immediately comparing this site to a site that doesn't even exist anymore?
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Sept 17, 2013 12:45:15 GMT -5
Why is it that anytime a suggestion is made we're immediately comparing this site to a site that doesn't even exist anymore? Did I specifically name a 1 Man site in particular? No. "Man site" encompasses all Man sites both past and present... but to answer your question: 1) Consider the source of the suggestion (your own partner in those other Man sites; atleast the hockey ones.) then ask why a Man site would get compared to this. It seems pretty clear why. 2) Man sites were/are the only ones I've ever been apart of that skipped draft picks instead of just picking the next best player and moving forward. I never agreed with it on those site and I don't agree with it now. It's pretty cut & dried. |
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Post by Boston Bruins GM on Sept 17, 2013 14:56:32 GMT -5
I say leave it the way it is. Send a list, if no list, autopick best player.
I've been here a few years now but can't always make drafts. I almost always send a list to JM outside of this last draft. Most drafts are on weeknights and I work until 11pm ATL so the chances of me ever making one is slim.
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Post by Justin on Sept 18, 2013 0:58:43 GMT -5
works for me. it will make people get lists in atleast. They can be as basic as telling me what you need Exactly. Also, we can ignore Rangers input. He is Kruze, and he posted that tirade because it was me who made the suggestion and he was mad at me on ManMMA at the time. I doubt he even took the time to read them. If you get a list in, even the most basic list imaginable, there is no problem. ------------- So we are mostly happy with Option 1, with no-list, no present GMs picking at the end of each round, THEN the bonus picks coming AFTER that. Correct? As jmcook said, at least then people will get some form of a damned list in, which is really the point of this suggestion. |
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Post by The Admin Account on Sept 18, 2013 8:45:55 GMT -5
Well, I knew for certain that I wasn't going to be here for this draft and what I sent to Pens wasn't JUST "Best Available"... I gave specific positions that I needed filled in the cases of the earlier picks, I gave what player type I'd prefer as well. You never know what specific player is going to be available at your draft position, especially since I was virtually picking last in every round. That being said, I'm not really in agreement with any of the options presented. Option 1: This isn't a Man site and skipping is BS at the best of times. Teams have their draft position based on where they finished the season not because someone else is pissed off and crying that a team got a player they wanted. It's really no different than if the GM was actually there, so cry me a river. I'd love to have Wayne Gretzky too... will that ever happen? Probably not. I've tried.Option 2: Pretty much the same reason as above, but also that it'd slow down the draft even more for those impatient ones that expect you to make your pick in 10secs. cuz the present picker says "NYR auto picks RW Joe Blow 83 TWF" then "Ok, Canes is up" and Canes goes "Canes picks D Ben Dover 83 DFD and swaps with NYR cuz I want Joe Blow..." That's not fair to NYR, because based on what you claim is insufficient, the list I sent stating "best available" would be inadmissible, despite having specific positions & player types that I'm looking to fill, but because I'm not available to be there, yet still sent in a list, I'm just supposed to accept someone taking a player I needed and effectively drafted myself, based on my list criteria, all because I took someone's favorite pick? Boo freaking hoo. Sorry Canes. If you want that player enough, you can trade for him later if need be and you're able to. I dunno how many times I've had teams draft guys I was eyeing; either auto'd or not, and I was told to "suck it up"... Took me about 15 seasons (all totaled that I've had a team here), but I did, and I finally won a Cup here. You just need to have patience. Option 3: ROFL No... just no Just so people stop taking shots at the 'haves' or whatever that term was, the offer was LaFontaine 88 and Pronger 85 with picks for Gretzky 96 someone else and lower picks. Messier was never offered even though you might think you'd have to move your best player to get the best player in the game. Why should I take this when I moved like 2 92s and a 88 to get him. Anyways, continue. |
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Post by The Admin Account on Sept 18, 2013 8:48:44 GMT -5
Well, I knew for certain that I wasn't going to be here for this draft and what I sent to Pens wasn't JUST "Best Available"... I gave specific positions that I needed filled in the cases of the earlier picks, I gave what player type I'd prefer as well. You never know what specific player is going to be available at your draft position, especially since I was virtually picking last in every round. That being said, I'm not really in agreement with any of the options presented. Option 1: This isn't a Man site and skipping is BS at the best of times. Teams have their draft position based on where they finished the season not because someone else is pissed off and crying that a team got a player they wanted. It's really no different than if the GM was actually there, so cry me a river. I'd love to have Wayne Gretzky too... will that ever happen? Probably not. I've tried. Option 2: Pretty much the same reason as above, but also that it'd slow down the draft even more for those impatient ones that expect you to make your pick in 10secs. cuz the present picker says "NYR auto picks RW Joe Blow 83 TWF" then "Ok, Canes is up" and Canes goes "Canes picks D Ben Dover 83 DFD and swaps with NYR cuz I want Joe Blow..." That's not fair to NYR, because based on what you claim is insufficient, the list I sent stating "best available" would be inadmissible, despite having specific positions & player types that I'm looking to fill, but because I'm not available to be there, yet still sent in a list, I'm just supposed to accept someone taking a player I needed and effectively drafted myself, based on my list criteria, all because I took someone's favorite pick? Boo freaking hoo. Sorry Canes. If you want that player enough, you can trade for him later if need be and you're able to. I dunno how many times I've had teams draft guys I was eyeing; either auto'd or not, and I was told to "suck it up"... Took me about 15 seasons (all totaled that I've had a team here), but I did, and I finally won a Cup here. You just need to have patience.Option 3: ROFL No... just no It's not even suck it up, its literally the guy has already been taken. If Toronto wanted Bo Horvat, what are they supposed to do at 21 if he was just taken? Have Bettman take them by the hand and tell vansewer that that was actually the leafs pick? But anyways, glad you finally won a cup buddy lol. Worked out in the end. But yeah, something needs to be done about the draft though. |
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Sept 18, 2013 16:34:29 GMT -5
works for me. it will make people get lists in atleast. They can be as basic as telling me what you need Exactly. Also, we can ignore Rangers input. He is Kruze, and he posted that tirade because it was me who made the suggestion and he was mad at me on ManMMA at the time. I doubt he even took the time to read them. If you get a list in, even the most basic list imaginable, there is no problem. ------------- So we are mostly happy with Option 1, with no-list, no present GMs picking at the end of each round, THEN the bonus picks coming AFTER that. Correct? As jmcook said, at least then people will get some form of a damned list in, which is really the point of this suggestion. No I don't and never have agreed with skipping people's picks. In my opinion, it's not fair nor is it ethical. I could care less about a squabble on some other site. The reason Man sites came up is because, as I stated, Man sites are the only sites I've been a part of that skip people's picks... being that you are one of the proprietors of the Man sites and suggesting that it be more of a Man format doesn't surprise me, but at the same time doesn't make it an more fair or right. I've lost out on picks I've wanted too because of auto'd picks or someone picked them ahead of me. That's just the way it is. I gotta agree with Isles Toronto/Vancouver analogy above: "If Toronto wanted Bo Horvat, what are they supposed to do at 21 if he was just taken? Have Bettman take them by the hand and tell vansewer that that was actually the leafs pick?" It's ridiculous to do that. Just so people stop taking shots at the 'haves' or whatever that term was, the offer was LaFontaine 88 and Pronger 85 with picks for Gretzky 96 someone else and lower picks. Messier was never offered even though you might think you'd have to move your best player to get the best player in the game. Why should I take this when I moved like 2 92s and a 88 to get him. Not when I wanted to play Gretz & Mess together, I wouldn't offer Messier. Thing is I wasn't taking a shot at you or a shot you refusing the deal at all. All I said was I tried to get Gretzky and it didn't happen. I offered you fair value, I think Cole was in on that somewhere too or something (I could be wrong though... I'm not looking at it.) but based on what you paid, my offer wasn't worth it for you, and that's fine. I still dunno why you'd pay 2 92s AND an 88 for Gretzky though lol I get it's Gretz, but c'mon now... that's not just an overpayment, that's an exaggerated overpayment. If that was worth it to you, kool... I wouldn't have done that. |
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Post by Justin on Sept 21, 2013 1:16:55 GMT -5
It's kind of funny. There was a good discussion going on here about what we should do with the draft, fixing a problem, we were all getting down to the nitty gritty of what we wanted to do moving forward, then Kruze came in, Kruzed it up, turned it into a bitch fest and it died....
So...are we cool with with absent GMs with no-list picking at the end of each round, THEN the bonus picks coming AFTER that? Good?
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Post by New York Rangers GM on Sept 21, 2013 1:35:50 GMT -5
It's kind of funny. There was a good discussion going on here about what we should do with the draft, fixing a problem, we were all getting down to the nitty gritty of what we wanted to do moving forward, then Kruze came in, Kruzed it up, turned it into a bitch fest and it died.... So...are we cool with with absent GMs with no-list picking at the end of each round, THEN the bonus picks coming AFTER that? Good? Look dude... You asked for members thoughts and opinions, and I offered mine. It's not my fault if you don't like that I disagreed with your suggestions. Next time if you don't want opinions, don't ask for them. It's a simple equation. |
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Sorry Canes. 
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