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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 18, 2013 9:24:25 GMT -5
Well folks, it's that time of the season again. The trade deadline has passed, and teams are going full steam into the stretch drive for the playoffs, and ultimately for a few teams, the shot at Stanley Cup glory. But, before we put up our keeper’s list, we have a new concept that we are willing to introduce here at EA.
*Please Note* This will only be taking place once a game cycle, meaning we will continue with our current format all other years.
Here are the five options:
1. 6 Keepers lose 6 players. Players 1, 3-6 go into the draft, while player 2 goes into auctions. This happens for the upcoming draft. You will receive a trading period after this season for a couple of days before keepers will need to be submitted.
2. 6 Keepers, lose 7 players. Players 1, 3-7 go into the draft, while player 2 goes into auctions. We introduce a 6th round pick for this special draft. Basically making it have one special first round, then the usual players in the next 5. This happens for the upcoming draft. You will receive a trading period after this season for a couple of days before keepers will need to be submitted.
3. Same concept as option 1, happens for next draft, first year in NHL 14. No extra trading period.
4. Same concept as option 2, happens for next draft, first year in NHL 14. No extra trading period.
5. No change ever.
We didn’t want to just throw this concept down your throat with no say, so we give you the option of doing it next year. In the future, if option 5 doesn’t win, we will be doing this the draft prior to every new game. Most of you have been asking for a change like this for a while now, and we feel this concept will shake up the league and make things much more interesting. Post any concerns below. Best of luck in the stretch run. : )
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Aug 18, 2013 9:45:31 GMT -5
I always embrace change and this will make the next phase of this site exciting, imo, because it eliminates having to introduce enough legends (since the start of the site) to basically fill a third of the teams on this site, and 2. it sounds less demanding on Cook. I'll accept whichever Cook wants - a short break from simming after five years of hands-on dedication or another immediate season on NHL 13. Either way, I'm down for a new chance for teams to really start rebuilding.  |
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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 18, 2013 10:06:27 GMT -5
I always embrace change and this will make the next phase of this site exciting, imo, because it eliminates having to introduce enough legends (since the start of the site) to basically fill a third of the teams on this site, and 2. it sounds less demanding on Cook. I'll accept whichever Cook wants - a short break from simming after five years of hands-on dedication or another immediate season on NHL 13. Either way, I'm down for a new chance for teams to really start rebuilding. Yes, that is a big part of it, sorry it's earlier in the morning and I forgot to mention this. This will limit the amount of legends needed. Will we still have 5 new legends next season? Right now we plan on it. BUT not all of these 30 players will be used for auctions NEXT season. This allows us to limit the amount of legends for further seasons. We have already decided to go with NHL 14, so this isn't part of it. Either way, NHL 14 will be happening next season. This is more so do you want to lose those guys now with very little notice, or wait a season so you know its coming. The reason why I like it for this draft, is because it makes these next games drafts even more unique. None of us will be aware of the next ratings, which is fun enough, then we add a round of 86s-88s. Right now, we are mainly looking for feedback whether you'd rather lose 7 players with 6 picks or 6 players with 5 picks and when you would like to do it, or if you want no change. Ex. Canes just traded Sakic for 'depth' we don't want to throw this on him that if he knew this was happening for the upcoming draft, he wouldn't have made that move. That's just an example though. Same thing with other trades, we don't want our GMs to have regrets with some of their deals this season. Please note though, this change is not permanent! We will go back to the 8 keeper format for the future years. If we also feel this didn't go well, we probably won't try it again, but we don't see it that way. |
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Post by The Admin Account on Aug 18, 2013 13:02:49 GMT -5
Also would like to point out that this discussion was brought on by Sandman, so he is owed a good amount of credit of this idea and how we will implement it.
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2013 15:10:00 GMT -5
Ex. Canes just traded Sakic for 'depth' we don't want to throw this on him that if he knew this was happening for the upcoming draft, he wouldn't have made that move. But polling this still opens the door to that trade being a gang-rape against me, so it should not even be an option for this draft. I still have a BIG problem with this whole thing. After trying to get this change in for a while to spicen things up, it was made CRYSTAL clear to me by jmcook, quinn, and cranker that NO change was coming. So that reason, and that reason alone, is why I decided to change the way I was building my team. There is no way in hell I can get Sakic and Stastny back now. I have blown up this entire team for SPECIFIC players, and to pretend I can just re-draft them in the draft is an insult. Not only to me, but to everyone who has told me the site was fine as it was, and that it was not changing formats, and was never c hanging formats. Sure, it's just one season. But that one season is enough for me to lose the 2 players I traded Joe Sakic and Peter Stastny for. There are some times when I think the value of not screwing someone over hard should trump the popular vote, and even if this was not MY team getting the raping here, I would still say this - if a great injustice CAN be done to one, the administration should step in and prevent that, regardless of popular opinion. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:11:56 GMT -5
I think the biggest factor was Quinn's departure. He was the most vocal when these ideas were proposed and he was against it. He was also an admin, co-founder of this league and it was ultimately his say. Now that he has left, we need to form our own identity. We are going to stray away ever so slightly in an attempt to improve this league. Cranker and JM are willing to implement ideas that will help this league thrive for years to come. This has been the most suggested idea and I believe it's also the easiest one to do. It has a fairly significant impact and it should please many.
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2013 15:26:29 GMT -5
I think the biggest factor was Quinn's departure. He was the most vocal when these ideas were proposed and he was against it. He was also an admin, co-founder of this league and it was ultimately his say. Now that he has left, we need to form our own identity. We are going to stray away ever so slightly in an attempt to improve this league. Cranker and JM are willing to implement ideas that will help this league thrive for years to come. This has been the most suggested idea and I believe it's also the easiest one to do. It has a fairly significant impact and it should please many. The league is fine. It thrived under quinn, and it's doing fine. No change is needed. |
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2013 15:27:20 GMT -5
No one has been screaming for a change. The league has succeeded this way for 30 seasons. This is a luxury suggestion. However, it does have someone screaming against it, so regardless of the vote, it should be shot down.
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:31:02 GMT -5
My problem with it is that all of the overalls will be changing when switching to the new game, which means that a lot of trades and auctions I just did for upgrades will actually be the complete opposite in the new game. I know that affects everyone, but if the legends' overalls are staying the same then I may as well have just dealt my whole team for legends for a consensus moving forward.
But it is funny that we threw this out there like a year ago and were attacked for it and yet, here we are.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:33:16 GMT -5
My problem with it is that all of the overalls will be changing when switching to the new game, which means that a lot of trades and auctions I just did for upgrades will actually be the complete opposite in the new game. I know that affects everyone, but if the legends' overalls are staying the same then I may as well have just dealt my whole team for legends for a consensus moving forward. But it is funny that we threw this out there like a year ago and were attacked for it and yet, here we are. This happens literally every year. Teams either choose to risk having regular NHL'ers or like me go for the legends to ensure ratings never change.. So, I see absolutely nothing... |
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:36:34 GMT -5
I can understand putting on blinders and going full steam ahead, but to just quote something and then write "I see nothing" isn't actually an opinion nor is it even a confirmation that you understand the comment.
I traded Rob Blake 88 for Niklas Kronwall 88 on the belief that I have a younger 88 overall players I can use as leverage in auctions. He will go down significantly in the new game when ratings change. I've moved Legends for current high rated players, the legends stay the same overall and the real-life players get to have whatever the hell EA felt like doing this year (remember when EA wanted to have a cap of 84 on defencemen? yeah.... And that's all going to be a screw job on my team.
Don't go around completely bashing peoples suggestion - to the point of "comically" changing the name of the suggestion box showing you're unwilling to change things and then change things. That is so misleading for those of us who are actually trying to spend SEASONS building a team based on the rules.
Rules, by the way, which have been in place for 30 damn seasons.
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2013 15:40:45 GMT -5
Wild, I did not know you were unaware the ratings would change with NHL 14. I assumed they did with the game change, and figured everyone knew that. lol. That's still a whole different issue than my problem with the # of keepers though.
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:42:17 GMT -5
That's not my point. It's knowing that, + we're about to do a draft on keepers based on OLD ratings when NEW ratings are coming and we're going on hold for a season. I just dealt concrete legend overalls for players thinking there was time, but on top of that some of the guys I lose for this draft could be worth much more than the current players I keep. That's my point.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:46:37 GMT -5
I can understand putting on blinders and going full steam ahead, but to just quote something and then write "I see nothing" isn't actually an opinion nor is it even a confirmation that you understand the comment. I traded Rob Blake 88 for Niklas Kronwall 88 on the belief that I have a younger 88 overall players I can use as leverage in auctions. He will go down significantly in the new game when ratings change. I've moved Legends for current high rated players, the legends stay the same overall and the real-life players get to have whatever the hell EA felt like doing this year ( remember when EA wanted to have a cap of 84 on defencemen? yeah.... And that's all going to be a screw job on my team. Don't go around completely bashing peoples suggestion - to the point of "comically" changing the name of the suggestion box showing you're unwilling to change things and then change things. That is so misleading for those of us who are actually trying to spend SEASONS building a team based on the rules. Rules, by the way, which have been in place for 30 damn seasons. Your decision to trade Blake for Kronwall has nothing to do with this keepers concept. You knew we were going to be transferring over to the new system at this seasons conclusion... You knew that Kronwall could either go up or down depending on EA's mood. It happens every year. I honestly do not see how your situation fits in with this suggestion. Canes', I understand. |
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Post by Mike - Former Wild GM on Aug 18, 2013 15:49:54 GMT -5
I honestly thought there was a discussion weeks ago about having another season before the next game. Hence taking a younger player than Blake at the same current overall in order to throw into auctions for a legend. If the league knew there was not going to be another season, then yes that is my bad.
I'll accept that, but is it possible to hold off the next draft until new ratings are announced so everyone in the league can make the smartest choices for their teams moving forward? It's going to take Cook some time to set up the next game anyways, this could be a good time killer for when that time comes so he doesn't feel rushed.
It's taken me like five seasons just to get to this point - a perennial 8th place finisher, and I'd like to not throw away exceptional talent while keeping EA 13's good rated players.
EA always stresses me out because they make odd choices one year to the next.
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