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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Apr 28, 2013 23:15:20 GMT -5
There's a difference between getting the right depth players and the wrong ones. The good ones are the ones who are producers. They helped me win a cup on here.
I also never said anything remotely close to "your team sucks." Never. If you want to acquire depth, you can accomplish that.
The point is when we're dealing with trades involving (more often than not) 2 people, the trade needs to be fair for both parties. This is to ensure that no rookies GM's get raped in the asshole in the future when making poor deals. If we accept 1 lopsided trade than those GM's can be lil' vultures and justify their one-sided deals. Auctions don't involve that element. You are not making 1 team stronger, the 2 auction players you give away are free-for-anyone in the next round. All 29 teams have a shot at those 2.
Buffalo said he will lose Weiss to the draft. Why don't you trade him for what he's worth? I'm always willing to give up picks for rentals as are other teams on here. Or, trade him for a downgrade + pick. There are numerous ways to avoid this catastrophe.
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Post by Justin on Apr 28, 2013 23:24:10 GMT -5
There's a difference between getting the right depth players and the wrong ones. Since when is it staff's job to decide for the GMs who the right and wrong depth players for their teams are? I also never said anything remotely close to "your team sucks." Never. YOu asked me if I won the Cup when I told you I made the playoffs without depth, implying you have to have depth to be good enough to win cups. This is to ensure that no rookies GM's get raped in the asshole in the future when making poor deals. No one is getting raped in this deal. It's a small deal. A rental and a worthless legend for a big-name legend. the trade needs to be fair for both parties. Both parties think it's fair. We both accepted it. It should not concern the rest of you, especially since every single person who rejected this trade has the depth I am trying to get for my team with this trade. You are not making 1 team stronger, the 2 auction players you give away are free-for-anyone in the next round. All 29 teams have a shot at those 2. Not if you have no depth players to give up in auctions. Look at my roster. There are about 3 auctions I can participate in. Guys who are 88, guys who are 79. I have no depth to have a shot at any of those auctions. That is why I am trying to do this trade. Or, trade him for a downgrade + pick. There are numerous ways to avoid this catastrophe. I am not looking to upgrade, I am looking to acquire an additional body to protect some of my current 81s. You cannot possibly look at my roster, then look at Pens' roster and tell me what I am doing is unfair when some teams have the depth to protect 81s year in and year out. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Apr 28, 2013 23:50:45 GMT -5
Again, not what I said. You mention teams with depth and I show you that they don't necessarily win the cup. Depth players are important in the sense that there are those 81's and 82's who play far beyond what their overall suggests. Finding them is another challenge.
You need depth to win a cup. The playoffs are long, injuries happen. I lost my starting goalie one year and was lucky enough to have Howard, who helped me win.
A worthless legend? Are you kidding me? Just because he didn't play when any of us were born? I don't think the game really cares about the name on the sweater but rather the attributes that make up his rating.
We're fucking trade mods. It does concern us. We accept or reject on the basis of the value that goes both ways. That is what we are here for.
Build up your roster. Look at what Columbus is doing and how he's doing it.
You know, I want to protect Tyler Bozak this season. The way I'm going to go about it is most likely giving up picks to acquire higher rated guys. If that fails, I'll use one of my higher rated guys to try and downgrade in order to have that depth to protect him.
Contrary to what you seem to think, there are different ways of going about this. As someone else mentioned, add a pick swap and we'll accept.
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Post by Justin on Apr 29, 2013 0:06:28 GMT -5
Contrary to what you seem to think, there are different ways of going about this. Wrong. This whole rejection is based entirely on one way of doing things. You are closed-minded to doing things any other way. If Buffalo is fine with this trade, why does it matter to you guys? He gets someone he wants. I get someone I want (for half a season), and a downgrade. And if you think Newsy Lalonde is worth anything, why don't you give Buffalo an 89 for him? Didn't think so. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Apr 29, 2013 0:28:10 GMT -5
There's one way of doing things because that's the right way to do things.
It matters to us because we have rules implemented to ensure that GM's don't fuck over their teams. This trade may not do that particularly but it opens a door to allow for those sort of things to happen. We cannot open that door. Demons will come out. And monsters.
I haven't traded my keepers in multiple years now, so no, it's not about his worth it's about my own likeness towards the players I have. I wouldn't trade them for Stastny, or even Gretzky right about now.
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Post by Justin on Apr 29, 2013 0:32:15 GMT -5
There's one way of doing things because that's the right way to do things. Interesting how that is exactly NOT what you said above. Good flip-flopping, Hasek. This trade may not do that Yet, you reject it. Makes sense. but it opens a door to allow for those sort of things to happen. We cannot open that door. The reason you are people is because you can use your judgement on a trade-by-trade basis. You said above THIS trade does not fuck anyone over. it's not about his worth it's about my own likeness towards the players I have. I wouldn't trade them for Stastny, or even Gretzky right about now. Cool, so when it's about YOUR preferences, you can do whatever you want. When it's ME making a trade based on MY preferences, you reject it. More great logic. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Apr 29, 2013 0:39:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up a fucking 83 to go along with whoever else I was giving up (nor would I accept an 83 as well). It would be a STRAIGHT up swap. My legend C for his legend C. I choose not to because I acquired the legend C's that I like.
This whole argument is becoming just a bit irritating. You guys can either choose to make it work to comply with league standards. Or, you can choose not to. You choose, either way.
A third option is just to quit if you don't like the way things are done here.
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Post by Justin on Apr 29, 2013 0:44:21 GMT -5
Cool story bro. But this isn't about what you would do, as I don't give a rats fuck what you would do.
The argument is becoming irritating for you because you are getting confused by all your back-peddling and flip-flopping. You don;t follow what you are saying, contradict yourself constantly, then just get frustrated and tell me to quit. If YOU don't like dealing with members of the site, why don;t you give up your staff job to someone who can actually handle it, instead of getting all whiney about having to justify your actions.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche GM on Apr 29, 2013 0:47:08 GMT -5
And give you that satisfaction?
Never, my dear friend.
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Post by Justin on Apr 29, 2013 1:04:50 GMT -5
I would receive no satisfaction from that.
Getting my damned trades through? That would be satisfying.
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