Small Draft Tweak

[Justin]

Pens told me to post this as a poll. I did not do so on my own to try to circumvent anything.


I ask that you read the write-up below and consider what I am saying, rather than dwell on any past differences I may have with you, since I am legitimately trying to help make this site the funnest it can possibly be for everyone.

I'm wondering if we could consider a really small, non-intrusive tweak to the draft.

Proposed Tweak
Allowing people to draft anyone who is not one of the 8 Keepers, and Protected goalies.

How It Would Work
- When teams submit their Keeper lists, they add their team letters by their players names (TOR, CAR, etc)
- All players who are not goalies or Keepers are entered into the draft.
- Any of those players can be drafted.
- Once a team loses 5 of their players, no additional players can be taken from that team.

What Would This Accomplish?
- LOTS more options for teams who prefer building their teams on chemistry, roles, or guys they like, rather than just catering to people who build their teams on ratings.
- More options for the bad teams to take more control of their own teams.
- More trades, since people would have a little bit more of a shake up each season than they have in the past.

What Changes with the Draft?
- Basically nothing. Still 5 rounds of draft, people still only lose 5 players to the draft.
- Some teams might get to keep higher rated players if people draft guys they want off of that team.

So Now What?
If you want to see this small tweak come into play, vote option one. If you do not want to see this option come in, vote for option two.

Thank you for your time.

[New Jersey Devils GM]

I don't mind the idea, but I don't think I want it to be for this draft. Give us a season to get ready for it.

[Justin]

Jan 19, 2013 21:23:55 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

I don't mind the idea, but I don't think I want it to be for this draft. Give us a season to get ready for it.

That is fair.

[New York Islanders GM]

Personally don't like it because I run the risk of losing some players I've had since season 2, its not likely they'd get taken, but I still want them.

I see where this idea is coming from though.

[Justin]

Jan 19, 2013 22:02:26 GMT -5 New York Islanders GM said:

Personally don't like it because I run the risk of losing some players I've had since season 2, its not likely they'd get taken, but I still want them.

I see where this idea is coming from though.

At the risk of making A LOT of enemies, this is something this woulc combat too - the locked up roster situation. I totally build teams of guys i like, so I would be affected by this in a season or two as well. But what keeps the site fun and fresh is having to hunt for those guys again and again. I think that would almost make me live on this site.


PLUS, the really neat thing that just occurred to me, if you get to see your 3rd line guys on someone elses 2nd line (via this draft suggestion, for example), it could change their whole dynamic. Maybe some 3rd liners on one team could be another teams first line player? Maybe you'd have more interest in getting guys back, or something. Interesting to consider.

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Jan 19, 2013 22:02:26 GMT -5 New York Islanders GM said:

Personally don't like it because I run the risk of losing some players I've had since season 2, its not likely they'd get taken, but I still want them.

I see where this idea is coming from though.

Forgot about that.

I've had Oduya since day 1.

I don't want to lose him.

[Colorado Avalanche GM]

Yeah, I sort of like it. Especially in a season when there's a game turnaround and some teams are whoring the younger players who might turn out to be good. I know I have a guy like B.Schenn and he's an auto keeper for me due to his low rating. However, with a good season, a bottom feeder may want him to help them rebuild for the next turnaround season.

I'm cool with it. I think it's a good enough way for bottom feeders to improve. I like my depth role players but if I had to choose between them and my stars, I'd obviously rather lose the depth guys.

[Deleted]

Essentially this sorta helps bottom feeders improve, while not hurting the "haves" like they have been called

[C00kies - Retired Kings GM]

I would like to choose some players that go into the draft. So maybe each team can pick 3 that go into the draft for sure and then there are 2 vulnerable. Or have 2 players that each team can protect from their non protects (so essentially protecting 10, but 2 would have to be below the overalls of the 5 standard going into the draft).

[Deleted]

Not a bad tweak^^^

2 players below 80 or something

[Pittsburgh Penguins GM]

This will only hurt the bottom teams. When they are picking 80's becuase they like them and the top teams are getting deeper in the process. Remember the player lists will be about 10 or more pages long and sending in draft lists will no longer work.

[Deleted]

weak teams get hurt by having more players to draft?

Also lists WILL Work, they just may have to be a tad bigger.

Also, player lists will be one post long

[Justin]

Draft lists would still work....you only have 5 picks....just make your list longer....?

And if bottom teams choose to hurt themselves by building the teams they want to build, let them.

[New Jersey Devils GM]

It doesn't hurt anyone really. We still lose 5 players, instead of knowing the exact 5 we lose(The 5 best players after our keepers) we could lose lower ranked players, or the equally ranked players who we chose to keep

Example;
My Keeper list;
C - Evgeni Malkin - 91 - PLY
LW - Ilya Kovalchuk - 90 - SNP
D - Al MacInnis - 90 - OFD
D - Scott Stevens - 90 - DFD
C - Joe Thornton - 88 - PLY
C - Gilbert Perreault - 88 - PLY
RW - Corey Perry - 88 - TWF
C - Rod Brind'Amour - 87 - TWF

My draftees;
D - Joni Pitkanen - 84 - OFD
D - Josh Gorges - 84 - DFD
RW - Justin Williams - 83 - SNP
C - Patrik Berglund - 82 - PLY
C - Ville Leino - 81 - TWF

My extra players, neutral, protected;
C - Peter Mueller - 81 - PLY
C - Adam Henrique - 81 - TWF
D - Jonathon Blum - 81 - OFD
D - Johnny Oduya - 80 - DFD
C - Martin Straka - 79 - TWF
RW - Dainius Zubrus - 79 - TWF
RW - Mika Zibanejad - 78 - TWF
D - Matt Dumba - 78 - TWD
D - Oscar Klefbom - 77 - TWD
LW - Stefan Matteau - 77 - PWF
RW - Matt Halischuk - 77 - TWF
RW - Mattias Tedenby - 73 - PLY

So instead someone might want to choose to draft Henrique from me, of course I wouldn't like that because I chose Leino instead. But, I would end up keeping one of those listed draftees. Of if someone really likes Dumba they could snag him, I end up losing Dumba but would keep one of those listed draftees.

Thinking about it, it doesn't really help that much. Yes you'd get to choose Henrique or Mueller over Leino or Berglund, but then I have the higher rated player, can use for auctions. Or someone will waste a pick and choose, say Dumba in the later rounds, and I get to keep an 81 and lose the 78. Like Yotes said, top teams only really gain, or will get annoyed when they lose that certain player(for me I rather not lose Henrique, Blum or Oduya, that's why I always try to get 5 81+ players, which in turn makes our drafts deep, at least from my end).

[Pittsburgh Penguins GM]

I would no longer be trying to get 5 or 6 83 rated players so I could keep acouple players that I have rated 83. My 8 keepers would be the only thing that mattered anymore. Well and a bunch of 77's that I like that nobody cares about.