NYR-PHX

[Pittsburgh Penguins GM]

Ok. I will have to figure out other ways to pay him back for screwing him over

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:32:15 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

Sure, he's a low level producer. But I see no reason to accept either one to be honest.

Like you said in that thread, "We have always based trades on rating. There is some give and take when somebody really wants somebody. "

The little 'give and take' is a few overalls, but typically with superstars. Not a superstar for a likely candidate for the draft.

And like I said, when I was looking to dismantle my team a couple seasons ago I had several offers and potential deals where I was downgrading my players('superstars') and trying to do a contender from scratch. I was unable to do so because after several talks with Pittsburgh and yourself, along with other members, we established the potential deals I'd post would be rejected. I'd like to think I'm a known member and wouldn't just blow up the team and leave but even then it was still a no chance to happen.

So with that, I rejected.

So what you're saying is that veteran GMs are allowed to rip eachother off once in a while if they really want a player, but because I was a "Rookie GM" I wasn't allowed to have a player that I wanted, and even sacrificing having a spare player for injury to have said player (Brown)? Is that how this works? A different set of rules for different GMs? That's swell... lol

[New Jersey Devils GM]

I don't think there should be reference to what happened in seasons past, but this recent trade between Colorado and Toronto should be used as a sample.

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:37:33 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

I don't think there should be reference to what happened in seasons past, but this recent trade between Colorado and Toronto should be used as a sample.

Well, in all honesty, that is the one I was using. lol

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:36:54 GMT -5 New York Rangers GM said:

Mar 1, 2012 13:32:15 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

Sure, he's a low level producer. But I see no reason to accept either one to be honest.

Like you said in that thread, "We have always based trades on rating. There is some give and take when somebody really wants somebody. "

The little 'give and take' is a few overalls, but typically with superstars. Not a superstar for a likely candidate for the draft.

And like I said, when I was looking to dismantle my team a couple seasons ago I had several offers and potential deals where I was downgrading my players('superstars') and trying to do a contender from scratch. I was unable to do so because after several talks with Pittsburgh and yourself, along with other members, we established the potential deals I'd post would be rejected. I'd like to think I'm a known member and wouldn't just blow up the team and leave but even then it was still a no chance to happen.

So with that, I rejected.

So what you're saying is that veteran GMs are allowed to rip eachother off once in a while if they really want a player, but because I was a "Rookie GM" I wasn't allowed to have a player that I wanted, and even sacrificing having a spare player for injury to have said player (Brown)? Is that how this works? A different set of rules for different GMs? That's swell... lol

To a degree, absolutely.

There's no denying the fact there are GM in the past, and potentially right now, that have no intentions on staying here long term, hell even short term, and just might ruin a team, we've seen it happen several times before.

So, yeah, I do think veteran GMs that have established themselves and have been here for potentially years should have more flexibility towards trading, under the current set of rules.

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:38:49 GMT -5 New York Rangers GM said:

Mar 1, 2012 13:37:33 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

I don't think there should be reference to what happened in seasons past, but this recent trade between Colorado and Toronto should be used as a sample.

Well, in all honesty, that is the one I was using. lol

Wasn't referring to you. Mainly Phoenix(or others), as he feels you've been 'screwed'.

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:41:23 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

Mar 1, 2012 13:36:54 GMT -5 New York Rangers GM said:

So what you're saying is that veteran GMs are allowed to rip eachother off once in a while if they really want a player, but because I was a "Rookie GM" I wasn't allowed to have a player that I wanted, and even sacrificing having a spare player for injury to have said player (Brown)? Is that how this works? A different set of rules for different GMs? That's swell... lol

To a degree, absolutely.

There's no denying the fact there are GM in the past, and potentially right now, that have no intentions on staying here long term, hell even short term, and just might ruin a team, we've seen it happen several times before.

So, yeah, I do think veteran GMs that have established themselves and have been here for potentially years should have more flexibility towards trading, under the current set of rules.

Yes, but take a look at what I did with the team in just one season. A team that was near the bottom of the standings the season before to just 1 point out of a playoff spot this season and the only reason Habs got in was because of OTLs. lol I likely would've made the playoffs with Brown in my line up. But hey, atleast I now know that I'm not allowed to make trades like everyone else that's been here for years. Gimme a break. lol

[New Jersey Devils GM]

You do realize I'm now siding with this deal, for the most part, right?

You also realize I said I would have rejected BOTH trades, right?

Also, I never said anything towards you or your dedication, I'm speaking in general terms, right?

And that I have removed my rejections stated earlier, as I was admittedly ignorant to recent transaction, right?

I want to hear from the Administrator, Pittsburgh, as he was the first to jump on the accept train of the other deal without question and, ya know, he is the Administrator of the site.

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 13:54:58 GMT -5 New Jersey Devils GM said:

You do realize I'm now siding with this deal, for the most part, right?

You also realize I said I would have rejected BOTH trades, right?

Also, I never said anything towards you or your dedication, I'm speaking in general terms, right?

And that I have removed my rejections stated earlier, as I was admittedly ignorant to recent transaction, right?

I want to hear from the Administrator, Pittsburgh, as he was the first to jump on the accept train of the other deal without question and, ya know, he is the Administrator of the site.

It's fine Devils. Just move this to rejected and move on. I don't wanna stir up more crap than needs to be on this. All I was pointing out was that more than one mod, yourself included, said that there was more flexibility on deals with veteran GMs than with new GMs but that the guidelines were universal for everyone, which is kind of a contradiction.

It was Yotes that pointed this out to me. I'm just sticking up for my team because I agree that I did get kind of screwed out of Brown after looking at the Leafs/Avs trade that was passed. That's all.

[New Jersey Devils GM]

Well, we can't just yet. Not enough rejects or accepts.

Accept.

That's two for reject and two for accept.

[New York Islanders GM]

How did Rangers get screwed in that deal? He got Brown..

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Pheonix is a staff member so he knows what he's doing, that was the basis on the Leafs/Avs deal....

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 14:36:22 GMT -5 New York Islanders GM said:

How did Rangers get screwed in that deal? He got Brown..

I didn't get Brown. That deal was rejected. I ended up getting Setoguchi for Lupul instead in a different deal.

[Wynne - Retired Flyers GM]

I think he meant you would have been getting Brown.

[New York Rangers GM]

Mar 1, 2012 14:46:34 GMT -5 Wynne - Retired Flyers GM said:

I think he meant you would have been getting Brown.

I don't think I would've been getting screwed had I gotten Brown, I probably would've made the playoffs IMO.