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Post by Lilwayne - Retired Canucks GM on Jan 24, 2010 18:08:40 GMT -5
lol i built through auctions/excessive trading and my team sucked ass (which they still do)
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Post by The Admin Account on Jan 24, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5
Yup, as I said, you can build a team through auctions, teams that have started off way shittier than any other team here (see NYI, Dallas) and were built mostly through auctions to the Cup finals (or in NYI's case, a Cup).
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Post by jmcook on Jan 24, 2010 18:12:13 GMT -5
It just sucks when your trying to get say and 87 and your bidding with an 85 and somebody comes in with an 86 and it's over you have no way of out bidding him. But I will keep winning with my 85's and Lupul
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Post by kruze75 on Jan 24, 2010 20:40:49 GMT -5
^^I already pointed out why this "stronger teams, weaker teams" thing doesn't fly. It's not so much an issue of a 'stronger team/weaker team' thing, Pens, it's more to a point of teams not having the higher OVR players to even compete at all in any of the auctions for any Legends or higher Ovr players. And more often than not, when a team with some lesser players tries to get a higher Ovr player from other teams with 2 slightly lesser players and picks, or whatever, the team with the higher Ovr player says "Well, I don't wanna downgrade." Meanwhile, that team's got 3-5 88-90+ Ovr players on the team already (ie. Sharks) and then there's teams like mine and Jackets that have one 86 player or often worse, virtually guaranteeing that the teams with good players with comparatively shitty Ovrs, don't get anything and stay mediocre teams. Sure, an 8th seed has won the cup the last 2 seasons, but take a look at who's made the playoffs in those seasons and who hasn't, then tell me it doesn't make a difference, Pens! Cuz if you look for even the last 3 seasons, it's been virtually the same teams that miss the playoffs and make the playoffs every year; and if I'm not mistaken, this is supposed to random league since we lose half our team at the end of the season and re-pick a relatively new team. But it doesn't look all that random when you see the final standings at the end of the season, atleast to me since the Red Wings haven't made the playoffs since season 5.
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Post by The Admin Account on Jan 24, 2010 20:42:51 GMT -5
You're failing to note that most of last year's contenders (Dallas, Edmonton, Minnesota, New Jersey, Philadelphia) are having less than stellar seasons and some of them aren't even in playoff position right now.
Regardless, the rookie auctions at the beginning of the year will be eligible to non-playoff teams only, along with 1 legend auction. As far as I'm concerned, this is settled.
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Post by New York Islanders GM on Jan 24, 2010 20:45:46 GMT -5
Yea but how is it fair for teams with talent not to be able to get the guy they want with their talent when the teams that suck give up crap and get the guy over the guy who gives up talent.
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Post by kruze75 on Jan 24, 2010 20:49:23 GMT -5
You're failing to note that most of last year's contenders (Dallas, Edmonton, Minnesota, New Jersey, Philadelphia) are having less than stellar seasons and some of them aren't even in playoff position right now. Regardless, the rookie auctions at the beginning of the year will be eligible to non-playoff teams only, along with 1 legend auction. As far as I'm concerned, this is settled. Guaranteed most, if not all, of those teams you mentioned will make the playoffs by the end of the season, but whatever... I do like the idea of non-playoff teams getting a crack at atleast 1 legend and the rookie draft, but the FA auctions are still not as fair as they could be, IMO.
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Post by Wynne - Retired Flyers GM on Jan 24, 2010 20:50:29 GMT -5
Well then make your team better and you'll be able to get more players from the Free Agent Auctions. What Pens did was more then fair.
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Post by kruze75 on Jan 24, 2010 20:53:18 GMT -5
Yea but how is it fair for teams with talent not to be able to get the guy they want with their talent when the teams that suck give up crap and get the guy over the guy who gives up talent. It's not a flawless, Isles, but these teams that don't have the talent, never get the talent and it's always the same teams with higher Ovr players all rotating the same players and and rarely do teams with the teams in my position ever see a 90+ Ovr cuz we can't get them; no one will trade them and we can't get them in the main auctions at all... That's all we're saying here. Well then make your team better and you'll be able to get more players from the Free Agent Auctions. What Pens did was more then fair. You can't better your team when no one will trade with you because teams 'don't wanna downgrade.' all you've got are 83-84 Ovr players, at the highest. So, you tell me how we're supposed to get better when we can't trade for higher players?
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Post by The Admin Account on Jan 24, 2010 20:55:01 GMT -5
Auctions require no skill. Trading does. Build your team yourself through that and then start utilizing the auctions.
It's like saying everybody should get to go to university no matter how shitty their marks are. No, you need to work for it, and then you get to utilize that benefit.
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Post by Spitfire - Retired Flames GM on Jan 24, 2010 20:58:23 GMT -5
I think one year to make my league more even in terms of parity was to only allow the bottom 14 teams (the teams that did not make the playoffs the previous year) bid on a few certain legends. It seemed to get some of the teams back into contention or at least assisted them in being able to bid on the auctions for better rated guys in the future.
Obviously, this is not my league here, but it might help this one in the long run. Again, just suggesting...not going to argue or debate...just throwing it out there.
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Post by The Admin Account on Jan 24, 2010 21:00:31 GMT -5
As I said, the rookie auctions next season will be exclusive to the non-playoff teams only, as well as 1 legend auction.
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Post by kruze75 on Jan 24, 2010 21:02:05 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with work, Pens... I've been making offers like crazy trying to better my team. (Yes, some bad ones early on.) But all I get is the same answer, even when I'm offering my best player... and that is "I don't wanna downgrade." I've heard it so many times from everyone that it makes trading virtually impossible for any players that I'd want or that I'd need to make this team better. And the thing is that it's all mostly the teams with 3, 4 and 5 90+ Ovr players that say that.
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Post by Spitfire - Retired Flames GM on Jan 24, 2010 21:02:10 GMT -5
1 legend for 10-14 teams really needing the help? I woulda went with 3.
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Post by The Admin Account on Jan 24, 2010 21:05:02 GMT -5
When you consider we bring in 5 legends per year, 1 for the non-playoff guys is more than fair. Especially since some non-playoff teams actually have some 85+ talent (and if this season continues at the pace it is going now, there will be multiple elite teams on paper missing the cut).
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